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illumin7:

Astafjevs:

Of course, but he only mentioned Mourinho at Porto in his post, so I only mentioned that example.

 

 

 

Mourinho was'nt the only person I mentioned but then this is the second time that you have failed to read one of my posts properly and take, what I have written out of context.

 

By the way at Porto Mourinho did'nt have the best players ability wise but what they lacked in ability they made up for with hard grit and determination and pure will to win and if we mention Chelsea that proves my point further.

 

Fact: Price tags do not mean your getting the best player(s)

I know he wasn't the only one, but then that was the one person in your example that shouldn't have been there, because he did have the best players. The other managers you mentioned didn't.

There isn't one part of your post that I haven't read properly. Trying to make out that I took it out of context because you have no genuine response won't work unfortunately. If you're trying to tell me people like Deco, Maniche, Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Valente and Costinha weren't some of the best players in the league then you'll get nowhere, because they were.

Wolfman thank you.

Astafjev has an opinion that many owners, chairmen share: Best Players = Trophies & Cold hard cash.

This assumption though is bulls*** and I have had many a chuckle at watching teams with expensive squads swandive

Let me state that I dont take pleasure in watching anbody fail.

Lets see: Real Madrid of the 00"s, Internazionale of the 90's spring to mind there are more I wonder how other managers who spend big feel when they watch Arsenal, their eyes must go red and their skin green green.

Barcelona of the last couple of years can boast a team that cost virtualy peanuts (when compared to other european football powers) and who, lets face it played everybody off the park.

Point blank a long term gameplan, common sense, financies handled like it does'nt grow on trees (technicaly speaking it does) great infrastructure and great aand a core of players with potential a great understanding of team wor, and a manger who has a vision of how he wants his team to play.

*To  Astafjevs

When Mourinho was at Porto those players were not the players they went on to become and, to be fair only Deco and Carvalho were really the best players on that team and you can add maybe Maniche.

But Maniche, Costinha (im a big fan of his) Ferreira, and Valente have faded I'm guessing you never watched portugese football until they started making noise on the european stage and then went on to win it they were'nt the best team neither in terms of players but when it came time to demonstrate the power of a solid team ethos they were head and shoulders above everyone.

illumin7:

Astafjev has an opinion that many owners, chairmen share: Best Players = Trophies & Cold hard cash.

Such nonsense, because I know there is absolutely nothing I've said that can elicit that kind of rubbish response. Another bizarre post from Ilumin.

These rich new owners buying out clubs depresses me. In my opinion Football becomes ruined when we end up talking more about the owners than the actual players on the pitch and this is whats happening. I love seeing great players at my club but ont to the point where no other club has any great players and were verging to that. Sometimes I wish we could just start all over again, no sponsors, no mass of foreign players just football but its never going to happen and in my opinon its only a matter of time before the Premiership is completely taken away from us. What I mean by that is there is more games away from Britain and the owners are narrow minded and only look at commercial success. I know some are like that but there are also some really great chairmans out there who love the club and I must defend them by saying if somebody like Man City's owner came up to one of them and offered a ludicrously high price they would have to accept. I know some say I'm taking a very pesismistic and depressing view of the state of the Premiership but many have to agree that ten years ago it was alot different and the football felt more like football. These days I see it as a brand, its all about money. I suppose one of the problems is that 70 years ago it may take ages to get from London to Middlesbrough so getting foreign players was hard as well as the fact that you could say immigration laws were more tougher then (forgive me if that fact is wrong) but these days a simple work permit can get the best players from all corners of the world so why would they want worse local players. Chairmen from the area would understand that it is developing the local game but owners like Zahvi (Man City owner) just want to have the most entertaining side and are more single minded. Why should he care about what Jim from Manchester thinks about the team. They're worlds apart. So to answer the question yes Man city are a club to fear because they could be pulling the Premiership apart. I apoligise if i'm sounding like I'm against foreign people but thats not the case its just that I want clubs to belong to local people who understand what the fans think.