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Last post 18-10-2008 11:52 by cal08. 27 replies.
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  • 12 Oct 08, 00:14

    Subject: Same Old England...the impossible job

    This is the first time I've blogged fourfourtwo or anyone for for that matter, but tonights game has driven me to say something outside the pub. England/Kazakhstan should, on paper, be an easy three points. The 5-1 scoreline suggests that England were easy winners, but the true story is something completely different. It is a story of World Cup upset and disappointment.

     

    The visitors were a group of international unknowns, yet for 50 minutes they came to Wembley and matched us. In other, higher altitude, games we would have been ripped apart. Pick any of the top twenty coutries and any one of them would have put us to bed by 60 minutes. If England continue to use the the same insane system that they have regularly used for the past 6 years we, as England supporters, have nothing but disappointment in front of us.

     

    Against Croatia we were nothing short of awesome. A lot of the press have put that down to Theo's performance, but the game and its result was down to a lot more than Walcott realising his international potential. Basically what the result came down to was luck.

     

    I'm a huge fan of Steven Gerrard. At club level he is arguably the best attacking midfielder this country has ever produced, but when he has the Three Lions beating against his chest he has yet to reproduce the form that has put him on the international stage. So, Croatia and luck. Gerrard was unavailable for that game so the centre of midfield was a straightforwad set-up of Lampard and Barry. Lampard is the forward thinking player while Barry is the 'libero'. We have an ambundance of wide players who are more than capable of doing a job (Cole, SWP, Downing, Beckham) at this level with the support of excellent wing backs. So why do we have the need to occupy Gerrard in the starting eleven? It just throws the balance of the entire team into dissarray. Against Croatia Rooney had the 'hole' position, and in my opinion he was a revelation. With Gerrard in the first team, though, Rooney was sent wide and this totally negated his strengths. At Wembley tonight the ball was funnelled through Walcott, who had another good game, but this made our attacking options predictable and therefore relatively easy to manage. Once SWP and later Beckham came on the balance of our attacking system was restored. Great. Then, though, the Kazahks scored and this was purely because the player wasn't tracked by his counerpart midfielder (Barry was subbed).

     

    In short I have absolutely no idea why every England manager in the Gerrard/Lampard era see's it as is duty to force the point that these two players can occupy the same pitch at the same time. They can't. THEY CAN'T. It throws the balance of the entire team out and it transforms a world beating eleven into a bunch of chasers. Three of the goals tonight came from set-pieces against a team of nobody's. Its just not viable.

     

    Its not that I want to drop Gerrard, but Lampard is the more productive player at international level. Check OPTA, its true. Stevie G is, at the moment, a great player to have on the bench, but put him on with Lampard from the start and we will be in for a very disappointing World Cup. The players we have at the moment, in a league that is dominating Europe, deserve more than to be screwed by a system that is trying to force the impossible.

     

    My starting midfield? (In the classic 442 formation) - Beckham, Barry, Lampard, Cole (with Gerrard, SWP, Carrick, Downing and Hargreaves on the bench). Sounds lovely, doesn't it!!!

     

    I've always been impressed by Cappello's strategies and I truly hope that tonight was more about the injury to Joe Cole than it was of Capello's committment to fixing the Gerrard/Lampard issue. It wont be fixed because it was never intact.

  • 12 Oct 08, 01:07 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    CLIFFS!!!!!

     

    Could you try spacing your paragraphs Im having a hard time reading it cheers.

     

    And welcome to FourFourTwo by the way.

    Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense

    -Buddha

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    -Buddha
  • 12 Oct 08, 01:19 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Ta for the gramatics advice!

     

    The Gerrard thing just gets on my nerves because the team have missed so many opportunities in the hunt for this 'dream partnership'. I just want to win the world cup!!!!

  • 12 Oct 08, 01:26 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Yeah Fabio needs to figure out a solution quick G&L cant play at the same time shame really

    Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense

    -Buddha

    Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned

    -Buddha
  • 12 Oct 08, 09:28 In reply to

    • Redstar
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Lampard is rubbish! Gerrard is England's player of the year for 2 years in a row (I think). If he is played more attacking-wise with a DM like Barry then he'll perform much better. In fact, he'll play best as a support striker.
  • 12 Oct 08, 10:13 In reply to

    • Oranje
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    It gets on my nerves how for about 3 years it seems everyone knows that Gerrard and Lampard cant work togther except Erikkson, McClaren and Cappello .

    What Hartlepool does today,the World did about 3 weeks ago.

  • 12 Oct 08, 15:12 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Same old players, same old problems.  For god's sake play some new players, try Young and Agbonlahor and Bullard.  It's Kazakhstan and Belerus for pete's sake my next door neighbours could beat them! 

    Cristiano Ronaldo was bowled over by his player of the year award.

    Even though slow-motion replays showed that it clearly never touched him.
  • 12 Oct 08, 16:19 In reply to

    • bigboy
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Be wary of Belarus. Do not underestimate them like we did.

    Kenny Miller has the foot of an Anvil
  • 12 Oct 08, 17:17 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Just sort of the Hleb brothers and we are cozy.  So expect 0-0 at half time and a poor performance.

    Cristiano Ronaldo was bowled over by his player of the year award.

    Even though slow-motion replays showed that it clearly never touched him.
  • 13 Oct 08, 07:46 In reply to

    • sibulko
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Agree with Cal regards some fresh faces as i hated the Khazacstany game, the papers make us look like world beaters and we were very poor i tought, the idlfield threesome shifted the ball around sideways and backwards and frustrates me as there all good club players.

    Rooney runs everyhwere and should play more direct, Heskey for all his Knockers, did  well putting himself in where it matters and does the ugly work up top

    Campbell loves Barrymore.....
  • 13 Oct 08, 11:57 In reply to

    • bigboy
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

     Best English XI :James , G.Neville, Ferdinand, Terry, A.Cole, Walcott , Barry ,Lampard, J.Cole,Heskey, Rooney. England could try a 4-3-2-1 but cabbage-man wouldn't do that.

    Kenny Miller has the foot of an Anvil
  • 13 Oct 08, 13:55 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

     

    I've said this a million times but the england mid-field is rubbish with Frank-the-Tank next to StevieG. Bench Lampard now!- and make him an option to come on for Gerrard to Freshen things up at some stage in the game. Instead of sparing their collective feelings by playing both at the same time- do whats right for the team Capello!- Although i think theres a higher power that dictates that they should both play....
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  • 13 Oct 08, 16:01 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Cabbage-man's best available team, in my opinion, is as follows:

     

    GK: D. James

    LB: A. Cole

    CB: R. Ferdinand

    CB: J. Terry

    RB: G. Neville

    LM: J. Cole

    CM: G. Barry

    CM: S. Gerrard

    RM: T. Walcott

    ST: J. Defoe

    ST: W. Rooney

     

     Subs:

    1. B. Foster

    2. M. Richards

    3. W. Brown

    4. F. Lampard

    5. A. Young

    6. G. Agbonlahor

    7. M. Owen

     

    Agreed or Disputed?

    Cristiano Ronaldo was bowled over by his player of the year award.

    Even though slow-motion replays showed that it clearly never touched him.
  • 13 Oct 08, 16:09 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    Would anyone give Bullard a chance. I would.

    Normal people are boring
    help im hungry
  • 13 Oct 08, 16:17 In reply to

    • bigboy
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    Subject: Re: Same Old England...always capitulating!!!!

    cal08:

    Cabbage-man's best available team, in my opinion, is as follows:

     

    GK: D. James

    LB: A. Cole

    CB: R. Ferdinand

    CB: J. Terry

    RB: G. Neville

    LM: J. Cole

    CM: G. Barry

    CM: S. Gerrard

    RM: T. Walcott

    ST: J. Defoe

    ST: W. Rooney

     

     Subs:

    1. B. Foster

    2. M. Richards

    3. W. Brown

    4. F. Lampard

    5. A. Young

    6. G. Agbonlahor

    7. M. Owen

     

    Agreed or Disputed?

     

    Change Gerrard to Lampard and put Heskey instead of Defoe and you got a very good team.

    Kenny Miller has the foot of an Anvil
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